Sampling or no Sampling?

[Monts! ter®]

Give your feedback of what you think of producers and beat makers that sample

[RyanD2]

"Well I love sampling". If you listen to most of my music that's wut it is lol......But from time to time I do prefer not to use it cause although sampler can make a good track/beat/or hit song, I think sampling is just making it easy on the beat maker or anyone who makes music....And I like a GOOD Challenge!

[Monts! ter®]

I respect the sampling game, long as I hear that there was more done to it then looping it and adding a drum kit to it. Oratleast there was a thought process to go with it, becasue I aint gonna lie....we have all heard some fire tracks with a simple sample and loop.

[The Product]

Sampling pays homage to the original if done right. I use to sample a lot, almost too much. So I stopped. You don't want to lose yourself just to find a sample. Then I started my own originals, and while harder, it's more pleasing in the end ( to me ) to have gotten out a whole Idea on my own. Now I'm able to do both and i'm a better beatmaker/producer for it.

[RyanD2]

See Product that what i was trying to say you more out of doing yo own work then use a cheat sheet lol

[Monts! ter®]

So you use samples to brainstorm to create your own originals?

[Monts! ter®]

I feel both of you. I grew up in the south but I still did my research on our culture in music and it started with sampling. So like PRO said it does payhomage to the people who did it first IF it's done right. Like Kanye, Just Blaze, Swizz Beats, 9th Wonder. They do it right and they dont ever do it. Can't help but respect that and I do. Me as an individual it is more pleasing to do it from scratch and before you got started there was no sound then you create this baby instead of adopting a child. But you know what...it's still a child so either way they both get love in the sampling game and original game. Because cats that do their "originals" steal ideas and just mess everything up its easy to cut the fat off.

[Thedy B]

Here's an attorney's perspective on sampling... (y'all know I had to go there on y'all (:-)

and FYI: John Kellogg is an entertainment attorney, performer, and Assistant Chair of the Music Business/Management Department at Berklee College of Music. He is also a practicing lawyer, who represented the R&B group The O’Jays for many years, and who currently represents singer Gerald Levert as well as emerging artists. Kellogg also performed and recorded with the R&B/funk group Cameo before attending law school.

[Monts! ter®]

I under him on so many level in what he was saying. He was looking at it on a few perspectives.

1) its an art and its creative but....

2) You are giving away some of your income becasue you have to answer to the originators of the pieces u sample.

He talks about the busness side and the artist of sampling. There is a differnce like how he said Kanye pulled people who were pertenant musicians in teh past who build what we do today like Curtis Mayfield and then Kanye has a way of illustratig that through his music. Granted the same rules apply to Kanye when it comes to sampling.

Thanks for the video Thedy

[CO2 Productions]

" I you have any kind if creativity, whatsoever, to write your own music and write something original, do it because that's where the value is" -John Kellogg .... Did you hear what he just said ?! If I sample, I take a snare, a drum, or a specific sound. I only do it to build my sound library. I respect the creativity of those who have given me what I perceive to good music. I might listen to get ideas on chord progressions and things like that. If you hear a reference to another artist, I play it myself.

[D.Q.]

Some of what's now called sampling in the literary world would be called plagiarism :) I wish I could take a classic or best-selling book and change the font or add a few additional words and call it a new work. I remember reading an interview with the legendary Marly Marl where had said that Puffy had "f" ed up the industry when he started sampling entire verses. Marly Marl said he never had to clear samples because he only sampled a few seconds of a song. Admittedly, we all sample. If you use anything other than an acoustic instrument you're involving samples. I've seen some incredible things done with samples. Kanye is one of my favorites with it. The problems I have are (1) when people think that they shouldn't have to pay for the use of intellectual property that they don't own (2) it cuts into your profits (3) sampling can be used as a crutch and therefore limit the producer .

[Monts! ter®]

That is tru on so many levels D.Q.

[Monts! ter®]

So you think its cool to sample a few samples in stead of whole verses and popular phrases and build entire songs on that foundation alone?